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Resellers and associated teeth gnashing

Reseller.

Innocuous word, right? But oh so rife with connotation and negativity. At least in the online selling venues I am most familiar.

Much angst, gnashing of teeth, and arguing is occurring right now with at least two of these venues. And not just heated discussion with venue owners. Much, much heated discussions among the venue’s sellers as well.

So what is a reseller? And why the angst? There are a myriad of definitions, but in the simplest Kristy terms, a reseller is someone who sells a manufactured finished product online. The bone of contention for artists is that many of these sellers also have the audacity to state that these are artisan handmade goods. These resellers then sell them on venues in which, supposedly, they are not allowed to do so, by that venue’s own usage terms. These resellers lie to unsuspecting buyers about the good’s origins and their makers. They state that these artisan goods are handmade by the seller herself. Failing to inform buyers that these goods are indeed created in a factory or by sweat shop workers.

The gnashing of teeth

Both venues that I have the most knowledge about (Etsy and Artfire) utilize a Terms Of Service (or Terms of Use) document to outline what is and what is not permissible activity within the site. This document outlines what kinds of items can be sold and what are not permitted. On both venues, generally accepted saleable items include handmade (and the definition of what, exactly, is handmade, is long), antique/vintage, and supplies. Supplies are defined as items used in the making of other items, but not finished items per se.

An interesting difference between the venue’s handling, or mishandling as the case may be, of the situation is occurring with Etsy and Artfire right now. Etsy has a myriad of resellers. These sellers blatantly violate TOU and are brought to administration attention time and time again. Etsy does little to police its own site nor does it seem to want to change the TOU to incorporate them. Instead, Etsy administration’s inaction and lip service about the issue to angry sellers continues infuriatingly unabated. Just read example after example listed on the blog called Etsy Call Out . Or the dozens of threads that have been closed by Admin when the topic has come up on Etsy’s forums at the Etsy Closed Threads blog.  Is the inaction because each of those reseller stores generates needed revenue for Etsy? Is it due to mismanagement? Is Etsy’s plan really to incorporate these resellers soon but doesn’t have a solid communication plan to articulate it? One thing is sure; inaction isn’t helping the situation any and neither is it placating these angry sellers continually pointing out the ongoing situation to Etsy administration.

Artfire has similar issues with resellers. They exist on the site and their numbers are growing. The difference? Artfire is admitting it has a problem, and asking it’s sellers to help develop the solution. Will everyone be happy with whatever is determined to be the next course of action? Do pigs fly? I don’t expect a solution in the short term. This baby needs to gestate for months at least before all nuances are advanced and practical aspects are considered.

Finding THE perfect solution isn’t the thing, for me. It’s the fact that a dialogue is occurring. It’s the fact that the Artfire team has acknowledged the issue instead of remaining in their ivory tower of ownership. The solution discussion has been ongoing and vehement among sellers, but it’s not only the Seller’s gnashing teeth. Artfire’s staff has enjoyed a bit of gnashing themselves, and I suspect it will continue for a while until some sort of solution is discovered.

I’ll be curious to see how it shakes out next year at this time. Could be an interesting ride.

What do you think?

Posted by Kristy of Simply Shiny


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Venue policing and free speech

For the record, free speech is governed by the First Amendment of the Constitution:

“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

Did you note that it states Congress shall make no law?

So, if I tell you to shut up, because you are making inane comments of sheer stupidity (my opinion of course), guess what? I’m not breaching your free speech rights. Because

A. I’m not the government

and

B. because, frankly, you can go around the corner where I can’t hear you and spew whatever nonsense you’d like. Until someone else tells you to shut yer trap. And, if that someone else is a private citizen or business, etc, they won’t be violating your freedom of speech either.

(Of course it’s not always this black and white. For some interesting reading, check out the volumes of free speech case law precedent available online)

Why do I bring this up? Because of the latest shenanigans on Etsy.  To make a long story short, there once was a seller with items that offended other Etsy sellers. Petitions were signed, emails were sent, blog posts were written and forum posts were started about the apparent (at least to the protesters) offensive items. And guess what? Etsy ignored them. Big surprise. It was feedback from only their selling base, not from anyone of power, right? You can find details here and here

Next, this seller’s items appeared on CNN with a bit of discourse from the CNN newscaster about what a poor internet citizen Etsy was to allow such offensive things. And then Etsy listened. To CNN.

Etsy scrambled to change their site terms to not allow these offensive items using newly created verbiage vagaries. Items previously allowed with no issues and under which this seller posted. These new terms were posted for Etsy sellers to read and digest and make comments.

So how is this relevant to my initial blurbs about free speech? Well, in these comments from sellers, there were many that referenced free speech, slippery slope, first amendments, blah blah blah. But the truth is, Etsy can do whatever it wants in policing its site. Free speech doesn’t apply as it’s a private venue.

Sellers should be less upset about the non-existent speech violations and more upset that Etsy caved to media and didn’t give them an iota of deference.

It certainly doesn’t engender very much trust in whether Etsy site owners will actually ever do the right thing for its sellers. No. It does not. What is does appear to highlight is that the site owners listen to the media and a bit of negative national publicity can go a long way.

Good to know.

Wish we’d figured out how to use that during Coralgate.

HA!
Posted by Kristy of Simply Shiny


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New Certified Handmade Artisan Process from Artfire

Artfire has initiated a process that will include a review of seller accounts and the issuance of a logo representing them as “Certified Handmade” shops. This is really good news for potential buyers who would like to know for certainty that they are supporting true artisans and not resellers.

Artfire Studio owners who want to pursue this certification must meet several requirements as well as submit various types of documentation in order to support their status. You can view the full seller requirements at this link http://www.artfire.com/modules.php?name=forums&op=view_topic&tid=9608 on Artfire. After vetting, those Studio owners that meet the requirements are issued a special blue hand icon for their shops.

Artfire Certified Handmade Badge

When a buyer clicks this new icon in a seller’s Studio, this message is posted to the screen

“This Certified Handmade Artifact recognizes this artisan’s commitment to exclusively offering Handmade and Fine Art work in their studio.

This artisan has been through a careful review to ensure they are the producers of the fine work you now see. When you see the Certified Handmade Artifact, you can shop with the confidence knowing that you are indeed supporting a handmade artisan.”

Having a vetting process that identifies artisan makers is nice differentiator between AF and other sites that sell handmade. Artfire’s press release about the program can be found at http://www.1888pressrelease.com/artfire-builds-artisan-recognition-program-with-the-certifie-pr-225763.html

Initiating this program is timely too. I was perusing some closed etsy threads this morning and came across this one from artist Sherry Truitt
http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6574015

Read her comment on page 6 about what happened to her placement in a magazine article that had planned to showcase handcrafted etsy items
http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6574015&page=6

Artfire has chosen to provide certification to artisan sellers by actively vetting shops and granting them true handmade artist status. This vetting and the subsequent icon that is granted will be a REALLY good way for buyers to know that the items they’ll be receiving are actually handmade by the artist that owns the Studio.

Kudos to you Artfire.

Kristy from ShinyAdornments Artisan Jewelry


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